Personally I don't think all this gear is necessary for the majority of us . We don't compete, we don't get paid, we just wanna look good. You don't need test tren mast var to lose a little fat. You'd do just fine on prop and var and a great diet and some cardio and you will save yourself slot of money and potential health problems and shitty side effects. No point in usin the strongest steroid ever made for about 95% of us. Just my opinion tho. Better off spending that money you would have spend on tren on a great diet coach. That's what I did and my results have been insane since having this coach.